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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 00:06:38 EDT
There is no retaliation too extreme. In fact, anything short of MASS
DESTRUCTION of any faction, any group, any city and any country who has any
alliance with Bin Laden is failure, and an encouragement for future terror.
Call me what you will, or ignore me, whatever you do or think is fine. But I
know what I feel is right. And I feel the only true justice is a massive and
extreme retaliation. A sweeping wave of retribution, harsh enough to end and
endanger the existence of the guilty and those related. You know what I
mean. We made the mistake of passivity with Iraq, and it has brought us
this. We taunted instead of eliminate the enemy. Now we must end the game.
FerociousMonk
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 00:33:55 EDT
Hey Guys...haven't been around today...it just felt like a day to be with
family...thanks fo being around here...hope people are holding up OK...talk
soon, folks...
RAYNGER
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 05:18:52 EDT
Ferocious - Nuke'm and to hell with the collateral damage, huh? Would that
make us any different? The killing of innocents is not condoned by motives,
righteous or otherwise. I want a pound of flesh just like most other
Wallcrawlers, but I draw the line when it comes to including women and
children. And yes, I have acquaintences who worked at WTC. My son was in
transit when it occured (thank God). But I think I would feel the same way,
either way. I believe that countries that harbor criminals should be
excluded from the brotherhood (sisterhood?)of nations. I share you pain.
OT
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 07:21:22 EDT
IGGY, thank you, I feel a little better knowing everyone is accounted for
now.
York18
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:09:51 EDT
If the goal of the terrorists was to destroy America as bin Laden has stated
on numerous occasions he has failed miserably and probably did more to hurt
his cause then he could have imagined. US/European relations were becoming
very strained due to USs backing out of the Kiyoto agreements and there was
much tension during anti-globalization protests... If bin Laden's goal was
to once again re-unite the US and Europe into a strong, cohesive bond that
they haven't shared since the end of WW2 then he succeded. If his goal was
to unite the people of the US and to raise their political conciousness and
step up the war against terrorism then he succeded. If his goal was to bring
America to it's knees and to tremble with fear then he failed miserably. If
his goal was to reinstate NYers faith in their Police Department which was
at an all time low then he succeded. All bin Laden proved was that the US is
the greatest nation on the planet. Being concerned and afraid for your
fellow Americans, as well as for your own safety is a natural reaction but
that should not be mistaken as fear as a nation. NY will rebuild itself and
not miss a beat. We will once again live safely. Bin Laden, however, is a
dead man. Everyone who helps him and is associated with him will also be
dead. They are the ones who will live in fear, not us. Is America stronger
because of this? - I say yes. Just last week the Red Cross was saying that
blood supplies in the US were dangerously low... I doubt we will have that
problem for some time to come. Watching NYers cheering on rescue workers
yesterday was a welcome sight. It is also a relief seing so many people
cheering rescue workers in cotrast to the few that were dancing in the
streets celebrating the deaths of innocent people. It gives one some hope in
these difficult times. Living overseas I constantly hear from others that
there is no such thing as an American... you don't have you're own
identity... etc. Well, it is true that most Americans don't have Sioux or
Blackfoot ancestors (or the many other native American tribes) but make no
mistake... there are Americans and they love their country much more than
anyone could imagine. Sorry for the long rant but it helps being able to
communicate with fellow Americans in these trying times! Long live America!
May you all be safe and let's find these bastards and show them just how
much we value our freedom and our way of life!
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:11:54 EDT
Oh, and a many thanks to all our Canadian, German, English and other friends
who have supported us in this.
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:19:36 EDT
good morning people......i heard on the radio this morning that some people
that were caught dancing in the street in the liberty park during the attack
have been de-tained and face possible(HOPEFULLY
DEFINITE)deportation...................
BADBOY409
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:22:57 EDT
Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona - "I say to our enemies, we are
coming. God may show you mercy. We will not."
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:32:50 EDT
SASSY: Thanks for your kind words, my brother. They'll always be a place in
the foxhole for ya. And yes, you can bring Belleboy too, just as long as you
guys leave your Messier jerseys at home. :)....YORK: Glad to hear your
friends are safe.
EGAN
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:35:56 EDT
Just in case someone was wondering about hockey... over at the official
Rangers site they ask who you are most excited to see at camp this year -
about 65% say Lindros... Mess got around 3.5% and Leetch couldn't break 2%.
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:36:05 EDT
MIKE: Great speech, man....BADBOY: Here's a link to that story:
www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/4112.htm
EGAN
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:38:57 EDT
EGAN - that foxhole of yours is getting mighty crowded. :) BTW my friend
worked for 3 years as an observer in Kosovo and he told me there were very
few innocents on either side. True, our role was not the most noble but not
many people ask our opinions in these matters.
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:42:22 EDT
(non-hockey) I thought this was so well written that I'd share it... Written
by Leonard Pitts of the Miami Herald. We'll go forward from this moment
[Wednesday, September 12, 2001] It's my job to have something to say. They
pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the
American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting
disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that
seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering. You
monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard. What lesson did you hope to
teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon,
us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that
you failed. Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your
cause. Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve. Did you
want to tear us apart? You just brought us together. Let me tell you about
my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial,
social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're
frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop
cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a
cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of
trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life
with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent,
though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right
thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of
faith, believers in a just and loving God. Some people -- you, perhaps --
think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not
weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.
Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still
grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to
make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some
Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel.
Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final
death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of
terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of
the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before. But
there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall.
This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time
anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and
monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in
our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any
suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice. I tell
you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think,
do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of
the future. In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation,
fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what
can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened
security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from
this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably
determined. You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That
aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us
well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we
will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in
defense of all that we cherish. So I ask again: What was it you hoped to
teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths
of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take
this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what
we're capable of. You don't know what you just started. But you're about to
learn.
Ranger47
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 08:46:12 EDT
There have been some arrests made over here in Hamburg, Germany that are
directly connected and that two of those animals that hijacked the planes
used to live here. I can't believe this. ALL: this place is the BEST, while
reading the wall yesterday there were several moment when I had to cry, when
I saw that most of you are still alive.
GermanBlueshirt
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:08:08 EDT
Larry Brooks reported today that Don Maloney's brother in law is missing.He
worked for Cantor Fitzgerald in the upper tier of the World Trade
Center.Mike Richter and Brian Leetch also lost close friends...The Daily
Herald in Chicago reported former Ranger and Hawk Mark Janssens was supposed
to begin his new job at the tower.He just got out of subway when the first
plane smashed into the tower...Tony Amonte said his former teammate and good
friend,Mark Bavis was supposed to be a 11am flight to Los Angeles but he
took an earlier flight...One of the Philly papers reported that Eric Lindros
like many other New Yorkers could not get through to their families.He
called John LeClair to let him know that he was OK and to try to notify his
parents in Toronto that he was fine or if they called up Leclair then he
would tell Carl and Bonnie that Lindros was fine.Jan Hlavac tried
desperately to reach Radek Dvorak on Tuesday.
RangerMan
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:13:57 EDT
verrazano bridge in lockdown at this moment...............apparently
possible terroist people in staten island................and the guys that
got refused seats in jfk................they are out there
somewhere...............they were not detained.........
BADBOY409
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:33:18 EDT
MIKE: Your friend is certainly correct. It backs up what several of my
friends who were stationed over there as peacekeepers have told me. As in
any war, both sides have plenty of blood on their hands, although admittedly
my sympathies lie more with the Serbians. It just makes no sense to me why
we came down so lopsidedly on the side of the KLA, a known narco-terrorist
organization with ties to Osama Bin Laden and his ilk, effectively setting
up an Islamic narco-terrorist state right in the heart of Europe. And as I
said yesterday, this campaign was supported by both political parties, and
most vociferously by the aforementioned Republican John McCain, so again,
any inference that my criticism of this operation is somehow politically
"partisan" is obviously not accurate, and something I would never do at a
time like this. Anyway, I have an old article on file that summed up many of
my concerns, if you're interested.
www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/1999/0616/optl.htm
EGAN
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:40:57 EDT
Ranger47... I've been trying to put something like that on paper since this
began, but you have put my efforts to shame. Very well said my friend,
please try to get you're words into print, I think it can help people. And
thank you.
SteveCT
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:41:53 EDT
Egan, thank you, I appreciate the thought. I am feeling a lot better knowing
that loved ones and friends are now all accounted for. To everyone on the
wall, I know we have our differences and we have words but thank you one and
all for being here for each and everyone of us. For venting, or to console
people, may god smile on each and every one of you.
York18
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:41:58 EDT
Oops. I guess I should re-read stuff before I post, sorry.
SteveCT
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:49:14 EDT
Just wanted to let you all know that we here in Fl are thinking about you
and hope that you all continue to be ok. The Blood drives down here are
awesome and there should be lots of help in that regard on the way to you.
Since I am not given to prayer, know that you are in my thoughts and hang in
there.
Ranger13
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 09:57:33 EDT
Hello, everyone! In additin to the Post article by Brooks, there is also an
article by Carpiniello abou the Rangers moving camp to Rye. It's at:
"http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/091301/13rangersco.html
JFC31
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:27:20 EDT
EGAN - my sympathies lie with neither side and find it difficult to believe
that the US got involved to such an extent. I'm also sure a lot of the
"refugees" of that area that were repatriated here are people who aren't too
keen on America.
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:29:26 EDT
You know that things are screwy when you've got the likes of Quaddafi and
the PM of Lebanon sending their condolences. Jeez, the Lebaneese PM even
said we should find the responsible party and have every right to give them
what's coming to them.
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:31:34 EDT
Kara - thanks for letting us vent our non-hockey anger here the last couple
of days. You truly are the best!
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:37:21 EDT
MikeLviv: Hell, even Iran has spoken against this act. Talk about
unbelievable. I'm sure it's mostly politics as usual but not many people,
except some ignorant citizens, are speaking FOR this attack.
KILL_EM_ALL
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:42:46 EDT
Check out this satellite picture of the Pentagon after the attack from Janes
webstie:
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/pentagon_after.shtml
ncbob
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:45:18 EDT
ncbob: Jane's is an excellent source. I might also recommend stratfor.com.
And as always, drudgereport.com provides dozens of links to latebreaking
stories.
EGAN
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:46:56 EDT
bin Laden has spent years training and watching people die for "his" cause.
I wonder if he has the yeyos to die for it as well since that's what this
will probably all lead to. Wouldn't it be great if we could confiscate his
millions and use them to help the families of the victims.
MikeLviv
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:53:46 EDT
US PRIDE DAY......Tomorrow is US Pride Day. Everyone is asked to wear US
colors. Try to be wearing as much red, white, and blue as you can. Send this
message to as many other people as you know. Let's get the whole country
into it. They are asking people to drive with their headlights ON in a show
of solidarity and in remembrance of those who lost their lives. Please pass
the word along...
Louie
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 010:55:49 EDT
EGAN-Thanks for the Stratfor recommendation. Drudge's site is great. I am on
there often. Links to papers, networks, the news wires and columnists. It is
a one stop media shop.
ncbob
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 011:00:02 EDT
Louie-Man did the Jets get spanked this past Sunday. I was watching with a
Colts fan and he was letting me have it.
ncbob
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 011:19:44 EDT
I believe Saturday's game against Montreal has been cancelled as have all
the pre-season games on Sat.
Traveler
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 012:03:05 EDT
ALL: I just got this e-mail from a co-worker...it is the WTC Survivor list:
wtc.ny.com.
DOUBLEN
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 012:25:08 EDT
1 penn plaza was evacuated twice. dreyfus(on top of grand central) was
evacuated and people were told to go home. another company on 40th and 7th
told all employees to go home. its getting pretty tense right now. i dont
feel safe going to penn station so i think i will stay in my building
pete
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 012:41:55 EDT
Made it to work today on 34th and Madison. The Empire State Building is
closed up the block and the surrounding streets including all of 5th Avenue.
Grand Central and Penn Station have just received bomb threats as well as
Macy's which is being evacuated.I have heard that three more survivors were
pulled out just moments ago!
CHUCKDGAF
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 012:51:54 EDT
The rumor out of montreal Gazzete that Rangers sending Sandy Macarthy for
Hacket.
ilya
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 013:13:58 EDT
ncbob............My Jets!! I don't want to talk about them LOL. If we had to
play Oakland (especially in Oakland) we would be 0-2. I'm not too worried
we'll turn it around. Now, if my Rangers turn it around I'll be really
happy.
Louie
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 013:37:25 EDT
4 OR 5 FIRE FIGHTERS JUST FOUND ALIVE IN THE RUBBLE! IMAGINE THE JOY OF
THEIR FAMILIES WHEN THEY FIND OUT!! WOOHOOOO!
Sassy
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 014:07:04 EDT
I've been Internetless for 2 weeks now. As a Canadian, I'd like to send my
condolences to my American friends and their families. I hope everyone on
the wall is safe, yesterday's tragedy was disgusting. God Bless!
guru
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 014:14:48 EDT
Please be careful as always of scams using this tragedy to make a buck:
http://msnbc.com/news/628230.asp?cp1=1
Traveler
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 014:46:20 EDT
Just heard over the radio that the Liberty Plaza building is moments from
collapse--my dad is a construction worker at the scene, I ask you guys say a
prayer for all those involved in the rescue effort--from what my father told
me last night, the firefighters he worked with were truly fearless..
Lazio
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 015:26:55 EDT
Great news about the firefighters!! My nephew is NYPD and I just found out
that he is ok as well. As for the Jets..Yeah, youre right Louie, and as
ardent a Raider fan as I am, its actually a good thing for the Jets that the
dont have to go. I certainly wouldnt want to fly anywhere for quite some
time either. I just hope that the NFL does the RIGHT thing and cancels all
the games. This is a time of National Mourning, not a time for sports.
Ranger13
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 016:13:59 EDT
Please say a pray for my daughters friend and her family. Her husband is a
fireman and has been missing since the Towers went down.
Louie
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 016:25:19 EDT
Here is one persons salute to the NYFD which I think says it all about what
they do and the risks they take to help others:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum41/HTML/008127.html ******
RinkRat
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 016:26:46 EDT
Don't add the astericks to that last url, sorry
RinkRat
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 016:40:59 EDT
RINKRAT, that was very moving,,,,ALL according to the news they found
another black box, although they are very easily disconnected, so who knows
what will be on it....LOUIE, Im so sorry for your daughter, I hope all will
be well with her friends dad.
WIOSA
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 016:48:34 EDT
Hello wallsters, and greetings from Pittsburgh. I drove here from Columbia,
SC last night and am stuck here until at least tomorrow. If I look out the
office window here, I see the Penguins training facility, so at least there
is some diversion from the cares of the day. I have been coordinating my
company's response to the crisis in NY and DC. So far, so good. The
firefighters, national guard and police in both cities are heroes, period. I
was glad to hear the Pres say he would release funds for the families of the
victimized firefighters quickly, and that he is visiting NYC tomorrow. My
heartfelt condolences to all touched by this tragedy, and rest to the souls
who are no longer with us. I loved what John McCain said to the cowardly
bastards that caused this...."God may have mercy on you, but we will not.
Here here.
Bob
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 016:56:29 EDT
The reason why Usama bin Laden hates the USA is because the Americans left
soldiers in his native Saudi Arabia, after the Gulf War. The Americans
stayed in "wholy land". He mixes old time islamic living with expensive high
tech equipment. Described as " intelligent", "x-tremely islamic", " very
nice to his close friends" " hero in the muslim-world because his desire to
full obey islamic ideas" "soft" and " generous". Lives in Afghanistan, but
changes his over-night-stays all the time. A Swedish Afghan-expert answered,
when asked, if there was the slimmest chance for bin Laden to be welcomed to
another islamic country,-"no". bin Laden comes from a very rich family, he
was the 17th son. His father was an architect, and with some connections
with the royals in Saudi Arabia, he was able the build all the important
buldings in Saudi. bin Laden ineherited approx $ 250 million. But he is dead
within one week.
noren
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 017:04:07 EDT
Michael Kay puts sports in its proper perspective, advice I'll do my best to
heed. For those interested...
http://www.msgnetwork.com/fans/personality.cfm?name=kay&cont;_id=75178&flush;=yes
Zebop
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 017:19:26 EDT
The one thing that warms my heart is the stories of those people who have
risked their lives to help save others...a friend of a friend was in one of
the Towers...he got out and after the two towers went down he was still in
the area...he was walking and found a fireman's jacket on the floor...he put
it on and went back into the area and into buildings to help get other
people out...very stupid but damn inspiring...I tip my hat to him and all
the other heros working hard down there...
RAYNGER
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 018:59:05 EDT
I have spent 2 hours catching up on the posts. My heart goes out to all of
you that had to see things in person and those who had to wait to hear from
friends and family. I can't phathom what that may have been like. This Wall
is the coolest place on earth & we are a family. I may not agree with some
things posted here but all is exempt this week IMO. Thank you Kara......I
hope you are OK.
irish
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 019:29:31 EDT
In response to the TV statement made several times in the last few days that
"we are all now Israelis" : I DONT WANT TO BE AN ISRAELI!!!!!!!! My
colleague said it very eloquently today. Kill them all and kill their
families. They are growing this vermin like guppies. They are a bankrupt
culture that contributes only hatred and violence to the world. If I spend
the rest of my life hiding from this garbage, not trusting anything and
anyone, not being able to go to my national tresures because I'm afraid ,
then they have achieved victory. This is no time for excuses and
hand-wringing about what is right and what's not. If these people are not
eliminated, they WILL kill you. That is their intent. There is no other way
to look at it.
massapequa
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 019:46:03 EDT
OT....To answer your question ("To hell with collateral damage,
huh?")....Yea. As I stated in my post, I know my views are not universally
shared (or shown). But this is what it's come to. WE are now the collateral
damage. Therefore, it is war. Collateral damage is part of war. A true
victory, in any logical objective at this point, is DECIMATION of the enemy,
the mother of the enemy, and the future enemies. It sends no strong message
and metes no significant justice to sit and snipe away at their
footsoldiers. So yes. To Hell with THEIR collateral damage, when WE are now
collateral damage. Like it or not, that's my view.
FerociousMonk
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 019:57:40 EDT
Hello Wall, I am a dedicated lurker to this site. I am from Staten Island
NY,, and i work in NYC.. I just want to send prayers to all who are
suffering through this nightmare.. and commend those who are working so hard
to find people in the wreckage. I personally know 2 Firefighters who have
not been heard from since Tuesday..Their families are terribly stricken with
grief, as friends try to comfort them and give them some hope... As i watch
TV and see the replay of the Plane's hitting the Towers, it reminds me of
the chaos that was NYC on Tuesday morning.. I am in a state of numbness and
shock...,,, If i can, i will share my experience with you all,, God Bless
America!
Gman
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 020:23:29 EDT
I just wanted to say that my deepest sorrows and prayers go out to the
victims and their families. This is such a terrible time, and I really don't
know what to say. I am sad, confused, but mostly angry. In this situation I
am reminded of something that has stuck in my mind ever since I visited the
Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial earlier this year. On a wall, a rescue worker
back in April 1995 took spray paint and wrote the following while searching
for the victims amongst the rubble: "We search for the truth. We seek
justice. The courts require it, the victims cry for it, and GOD demands it!"
Fez
TheFEZ
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 020:44:29 EDT
Hi everyone! Does anybody here know if MSG suffered any dammage from the
blast? It's in the neighborhood isn't it? I hope that god is with all of you
and your loved ones today, to all of those innocent victems who died,
especially to the Brave Policemen and Firemen who charged into the Valley of
death giving up their lives so we can still be free. I wish all of you the
best in this your time of trial from all of the Fans in Philladelphia! GOD
BLESS AMERICA AND NEW YORK CITY!!!!!
lost_in_new_york
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 020:47:39 EDT
Massapequa/Monk,,I certainly have seen and have known your anger. I
personally am not big on capital punishment,,,but even I felt rage over the
past few days. This one thought keeps coming back to me...If we kill them
all, then WE are the terrorists. I dont want to be a terrorist. That, is
giving these lowlifes just a bit too much. In reality, even if we wanted to
do that, where would we start? This is a conglamorate of Fundamentalists, it
isnt one nation,,there is not one face. Are we to bomb every nation that has
a representative in Bin Ladens gang? IF so, then we have more problems. I
dont know if this is true or not,,but I just finished reading an article on
the men arrested in Germany - on of them is an American. I think we need to
vent, and I think we need to cry,,and then we need to rise above them, and
handle this with thought, and dignity. Again, I do not criticize you,,I feel
rage too,,this is just MHO
WIOSA
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 020:54:27 EDT
To the FEZ: Great hearing from you again!! We were worried sick!! Hope you
and your Loved ones are safe and sound!!! I just hope they get the Bastards
responcible and if we have to lose a little freedom to safeguard our
citizens in the future so be it!! The Palistinians will be the ones doing
the crying when we're through! The thought of them cheering the murder of
innocent civillians stokes the fire of my hate for them! That fire will be
exported to Gaza soon enough!! Be well my Friend! May god look after you
all! ACINC
lost_in_new_york
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 020:54:42 EDT
Guru, how nice to see you, and thank you for the kind words....LOST, MSG is
not Downtown Manhattan, it isnt in the neighborhood.
WIOSA
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 021:05:31 EDT
ACINC - thank you for the kind words. As I look at the tv now, apparently
roughly 10 people have now been arrested from NY area airports with false
IDs, claiming they are pilots. This is getting even worse. But we will
prevail. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
TheFEZ
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 021:16:56 EDT
Hi fellow Wallsters, I just found some time to see what was happening on the
wall and decided to share my story and thoughts with all of you. This week,
which was to be a joyous time for my family, and me has been just hell. I am
getting married on Saturday and was hoping to share a great time celebrating
with friends and family. This attack on our civilization and freedom has
destroyed so many lives and has hit too close to home. I work (15 years) for
one of the large brokerage houses located in the World Financial Center
across from the WTC. I have many friends who are missing! Waiting knowing
that friends and family of friends are missing is unbelievably devastating.
My fianc�es girlfriend?s brother in law called his wife from the 101st floor
to tell her he wasn't coming home and that he loved her and their 3 year old
child. No one has heard from him since. Devastating! I was a project manager
responsible for the construction of the WFC South Tower (Not the Trade
Tower), seeing the devastation this has done to my building has crushed me.
My fianc�e who I almost lost in this disaster works in the WFC, she just got
off the bus with her sister and was beginning to cross the promenade when
she heard what she thought was an air show, she looked up and saw the first
plane crash into the first building, in horror she watched as innocent
people were falling out of the gaping hole in the building to their deaths.
Shards of glass and debris beginning to rain down on them they ran into a
store for safety. After windows and glass stopped breaking she walked
outside to see if a cop was around, then the second plane hit. She grabbed
her sister and ran to then across the Brooklyn Bridge to safety. Thank God!
I was going to a business meeting in NJ and was in the car with a fellow
employee when we heard the news. I can't tell you the feelings I had
listening as they told of the towers collapsing. I tried in vain to reach
anyone, and couldn't. About 1/2 hour past and I was on my way home when my
cell rang and it was my fianc�e, she called from the Brooklyn Bridge
hysterical as the first tower collapsed. So surreal. NY is a large city but
it's very small for those who live and grew up here, you meet hundreds of
new people each year and have many friends, this was our home, we walked
through this buildings, shopped, ate our lunch in the promenade, shared
laughs with friends. My office moved me to Jersey City last February, but I
take the ferry just about every day to the WFC & WTC because my associates
are there, my office window is right in the river facing what was once the
most beautiful skyline in the world. I looked out my window yesterday and
could not believe what I saw, it will never be the same, life as we know it
will never be the same, this was an attack on all of us, some of us were
closer than others but the effect of this will touch the world. I broke down
on Tuesday and cried like I hadn't cried before, but I woke up this morning
and said we can not let them win. We must come together as a country; we
must come together as human beings and put an end to the threat that these
terrorists placed on us. I will get married on Saturday, I will not be going
to Tahiti as planned but will figure out how to start my new life with my
new wife. God was with us and is giving us the chance to go on, many people
unfortunately can't say the same thing. I am grateful and pray for the
families of those who lost loved ones. My fiancee who was looking so forward
to her wedding day is staying strong, the memories etched in her mind
forever. Wallsters we need your prayers for all our friends and family. We
lost many Ranger fans this week.
Steve443c10
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 021:32:29 EDT
STEVE, what a horrible story. I am so sorry for the friends you and your
intended lost. I AM happy that you two did decide to go on with the Wedding
Saturday. It will lend beauty and happiness to your ugly and sad experience
Tuesday. Congratulations. Im sorry that you are not going to Tahiti,,I think
it would help to get away...but of course, you two know yourselves and
probably are making the decision you can cope with. I KNOW we will rebound
from this, we are already pulling ourselves up, dusting ourselves off,
shedding our tears and moving on.
WIOSA
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 021:46:17 EDT
This is an unedited story that a colleague and I wrote today that will
appear in my newsletter tomorrow: "Don Simone didn?t see the first airliner
strike the World Trade Center. Simone, a partner with Thacher, Proffitt &
Wood, had an office in the south tower?s 40th floor, facing New York Harbor.
?I didn?t really hear the first jet,? he said, ?but all of a sudden I could
see burning debris raining down past my window.? When word got out that a
plane had slammed into the north tower, employees were told to leave. During
the evacuation, a loudspeaker announcement reassured everyone that the south
tower was secure, so Simone stayed put. He was talking on the telephone when
the second hijacked airliner sliced into the offices several floors above.
?It was a big ?boom,? and you felt it,? Simone said. ?It jolted the whole
office. The walls started to buckle. I was thrown halfway out of my chair. I
thought the whole building was going to topple over right then. I got up and
I just ran down the hall to the stairs. Everything was cracking around me.?
Though the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center apparently claimed no
lives within the CMBS industry, it created plenty of close calls. It also
left many witnesses with indelible memories of carnage and destruction.
David Lazarus, a senior vice president with GMAC Commercial Mortgage, was
riding the PATH train to the World Trade Center to deliver some legal
documents. The train was pulling into the station when the first explosion
rocked the north tower. The PATH engineer immediately threw the train into
reverse and left the station. At J.P. Morgan Chase?s 60 Wall Street office,
real estate executives heard a crash and felt the office shake when the
north tower was hit. Looking out of the windows, they saw burning papers
cascading from above. Some gathered around an office television and after a
few minutes they saw footage of the burning building. Within minutes, they
could see the United Airlines jet flew by at a dangerously low altitude. The
plane disappeared behind another skyscraper and almost instantly rammed the
second tower. Once again, the building shook and within a few seconds a
tidal wave of dust and debris rolled over the building. One CMBS executive
said that panicked workers immediately fled the building, some screaming and
crying. ?It was insane,? he said. ?I don?t know how to truly describe what
it was like.? One investment banker was staring at the burning north tower
when the second airliner ?zoomed right over our building -- it was very
fast, very direct.? Before his eyes, the south tower was torn open and set
ablaze. ?We evacuated the building and the police directed us all to the
water,? one investment banker said. ?We just stood there and watched -- we
couldn?t believe what we were seeing.? Another banker turned and started
walking up the West Side Highway. ?I?m glad I did that,? he said. ?It meant
I didn?t see it when those people started jumping out of the windows.?
Witness after witness reported the same dazed impulse to simply walk and get
away from the scene as quickly as possible. One attorney walked all the way
back to his Midtown apartment. ?I didn?t really know what happened,? he
said. ?I was sort of in a daze. I just wanted to get back to my place. I
didn?t even think -- I just had to get away.? ... Steve: What a terrible
story, I hope you can recover soon enough. Sounds like you work at Merrill
or Lehman. I talked to some people at the WFC who saw some gruesome sites
from their offices.
paulf
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:00:28 EDT
Thanks for the support. Paul, the stories I have heard the past few days
could fill a book, it will take a long time for people to get over the
things they saw. I truly don't believe it has hit them yet, I know my
fiancee and she is not herself, she is putting on a good front, but I know
in her heart she is aching. I can't erase what she saw but can only be there
to support her. Paul as i said my office faces the City, this past Monday 2
F-16's pasted by and I heard them coming in it was loud. Ironically, the guy
in the office next to me said he thought a plane was going to crash into our
building. The next day he was in his office and withnessed the whole thing,
saw the first plane couldn't believe it, the whole office gathered in the
offices facing the skyline and helplessly watched as the second plane flew
by the Statue of Liberty into the second tower. The women in the office were
screaming, it was caos. A horrible, horrible situation. Paul, Merrill.
Steve443c10
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:06:19 EDT
Why is this JACKASS Vince McMahon on Thursday smack down? What an ASS. I
cannot believe the unmitigated gaul of this man....I'm speechless
Sherwood
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:24:41 EDT
errr, Sherwood, what are you talking about?
WIOSA
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:25:08 EDT
Steve: I just walked out to the Hoboken piers and watched the billowing
smoke coming from what appears to be the Amex/Lehman building. What a sight
... So much of the damage of this is going to be pschological. My friend who
was on the 29th floor of WTC 1 when the plane hit is a wreck, according to
his wife. There was a handicapped person in his office who stayed put with a
security officer and they are missing. He is feeling guilty because he
didn't save anybody. But at the time he didn't even know what was going on,
he was following instructions to evacuate.
paulf
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:27:21 EDT
WIOSA.....I appreciate your objectivity on the retliation issue. I am aware
how and why the thought of the (hopefully) imminent storm of justice can
seem chaotic and frightening.......I try not to paint too graphic a picture
of what I envision as the necessary measures, but I feel the perpetrators
and the Arabic revelers of our bloodshed paint it clearly enough. I just
pray, with evry fiber of hope and faith within my body and soul, that our
country's leadership executes the necessary means THIS TIME and not NEXT
TIME. Because, WIOSA, it is you and I and our families that the monsters
prey upon, and NEXT TIME, you or I may not be around for the discussion.
FerociousMonk
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:44:28 EDT
WIOSA....In addition, the fact that there are spme fledgling militants among
our own people does not distort the obvious fact of where the ROOT of this
monster lies. And the Fundamentalist groups all emerge from the same seed of
hatred. If it's not Arafat, Hussein, bin Laden, it's another. But there's
always another, and then another. Because their predecessors were not made
an example, but a martyr. We know who the enemies are, and we always have.
However, it has been our country's political policy to try to contain them,
instead of eliminate them. Throughout the brief, young existence of the
United States, that policy had appeared effective on a relative basis. But
throughout history, containment of an enemy only created a more bitter enemy
in the future. For an empire, a state, a tribe, or a country to truly defend
itself, the vanquishment of the enemy was always necessary. It is necessary
now.
FerociousMonk
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 022:53:52 EDT
WIOSA - I was watching Fox news when they switched over to WWF wrestling
LIVE....Vince McMahon starts preaching how today's a special day blah, blah,
blah. Every other sporting event has shut down to show respect and couth in
a terrible situation...but these guys are wrestling for ratings. I'm sorry
to waste Wall space, it just makes me sick.
Sherwood
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Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 023:25:21 EDT
Just a scary thought I've been thinking about all day...I would imagine that
there are still more of these "cells" of terrorist scum still within this
country with a plan, I don't think those 18 or so involved in Tuesday's
nightmare are the end of this... and hearing tonight the report at JFK about
suspicious people with fake pilot licences and airline employee apparel
doesn't make me feel at ease. We will be looking over our shoulders for a
very long time from now on, a BIG EFFING SHAME. I really hope our federal
agencies can/will be smarter than these scumbags. I really think it is way
past due time to close the borders.
CrazyCarl
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